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posted by Celine on Jul 31, 2014:

Borman said:






The two are fairly different resources.

Yep.




Borman said:






Unseen was at its best when it was gathering materials and not adding commentary. Same for TCRF, assumptions are dangerous when they arent labelled as such. Simply state what is there first, without trying to explain developer intent. Both have/had a purpose, much like how my little blog has its own use.

Agreed again.
Going in depth shouldn't be U64 priority IMO.

Just dig out new material and write a few lines of the known info available.
 

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posted by Fuzzy on Aug 29, 2014:

Wohoo, my first post since i've been lurking for years.

Hope this thread is right for my 'finding'.

To start with very old stuff, i think most of the people here know that old video clip of link entering that icy? dungeon room, opening the treasure chest and receives the triforce.
People took notice that link's character had realtime shadows and it was marked as a precomputed video. Later, as maybe some of you know, someone discovered an actor for realtime shadows, if i remember correctly. But it was said this feature has been completely stripped from the game.
But i just noticed that the final release version indeed had realtime shadows in it, too. Just not on link. Not sure if this has ever been mentioned or is even relevant of any sort, but:

The final boss Ganon seems to be using a -or- the (lowres) realtime shadows actor.

It's just not easy to see or notice, since it's only best visible when a lightning strikes. Also his tail does not seem to be included in the shadow. I would >ASSUME< because his tail is a seperate actor? and the shadow actor can only be linked to one other actor? And having two shadow actors active bould be to much for the N64? (I'm putting "?" there because i do not know these things for a fact and maybe someone else here does)
So it seems realtime shadows is not as much of a tested beta / or trailer video only feature that was completely removed from the game for performance reasons.

Searched through youtube for a video taken from a console, no emulator, where it can be seen quite well. Just keep an eye below ganon (if time-link doesn't work, imo best seen at 4:00+):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FrgHmbGO28#t=243

okay, also checked the TCRF for this:
http://tcrf.net/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time/Unused_objects#Shadow





There's an object which creates a dynamic shadow for Link. Even though it looks pretty impressive, it is not used anywhere in the game.

I'd say debunked! Well in case with "it is not used anywhere in the game" they mean the shadow actor in general not only for link,
what i'd assume since it's just called 'shadow' not 'links shadow' and 'anywhere in the game' not 'anytime in the game' because where else then below links feet would it be? Image
 

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posted by artillery_ghosted on Aug 29, 2014:

Welcome Fuzzy, I find it hard to believe that dozens of people have missed that lol, now I feel stupid. There is a chance that ZSO knew about it before, but record keeping for OoT's proto crap only began a while ago and there are things that have been lost because people didn't bother documenting well. The dungeon you refer to is not an ice one. The blue blocks harken back to the first game. Is it me or does Link's detailed shadow in the ROM look nowhere near as good as it is in in the trailer?
 

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posted by Fuzzy on Aug 29, 2014:

Thanks,

the things i find on ZSO are:





Filename: EntranceToIceCavern.jpg
Size: 20 KB
Source: Everything Zelda 64
Comments: I think this is the entrance to the Ice Temple, but it's impossible to be sure. They had changed the shadow routine here, but it didn't last long, according to the other screenshots.

http://zso.netau.net/beta/EarlyTesting/index.html (2nd pic)

and:
http://zso.netau.net/beta/findings/shadow.html
with only giving gameshark codes to activate the shadow actor for link, a brief "what happens" and 3 screenshots.

Well, i have no idea of how frequently they update the page for what they know. Or even to say i'm not sure if these realtime shadow actors are relevant to each others at all, but that's what it seems to me.

But yeah, i was surprised by that, too. Just watched a live stream and then was like: "hey, wait a moment...", because i guess usually you're busy paying attention to other things during that scene.
 

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posted by artillery_ghosted on Aug 29, 2014:

Fuzzy said:






Thanks,

the things i find on ZSO are:

http://zso.netau.net/beta/EarlyTesting/index.html (2nd pic)

and:
http://zso.netau.net/beta/findings/shadow.html
with only giving gameshark codes to activate the shadow actor for link, a brief "what happens" and 3 screenshots.

Well, i have no idea of how frequently they update the page for what they know. Or even to say i'm not sure if these realtime shadow actors are relevant to each others at all, but that's what it seems to me.

But yeah, i was surprised by that, too. Just watched a live stream and then was like: "hey, wait a moment...", because i guess usually you're busy paying attention to other things during that scene.

What the fuck someone is hosting ZSO? That site deteriorated many years ago. It is the origins of OoT proto research, but it contains the ramblings of a bunch of teenagers who didn't understand the idea of citations. The only things that are authentic there are the proto pictures and some hacking information. TCRF is where you should do your reading on proto games because fabrication is not tolerated there. Besides the usual articles on TCRF I also recommend this one. http://tcrf.net/User:GlitterBerri/Prerelease:The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Ocarina_of_Time
 

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posted by Fuzzy on Aug 29, 2014:

Yeah, a while ago i already read through everything at the page you linked. Sure was interesting.
But finding that screenshot on this sub page only says:




Triforce Dungeon
This dungeon is characterized by a blue-tiled floor. It appears that the concept of Link looking back in surprise as the dungeon door shuts behind him had been around since early development.

With no reference to the shadow. That's why i linked that Unused_objects - Shadow page in my first post, as the last state of things that i assume is known about this.
 

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posted by artillery_ghosted on Aug 29, 2014:

Fuzzy said:






Yeah, a while ago i already read through everything at the page you linked. Sure was interesting.
But finding that screenshot on this sub page only says:

With no reference to the shadow. That's why i linked that Unused_objects - Shadow page in my first post, as the last state of things that i assume is known about this.

Glitterberri is still working on that. She aims to make it the ultimate guide for the subject, and she is searching and reading anything she can find. Not only coverage in English but also in Japanese (then translating it), it's no shock that it takes so long. Let the TCRF members now about the shadow, I don't think anyone from there comes here often.
 

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posted by xdaniel on Aug 29, 2014:

The dynamic shadow actor - number 0x13A, ovl_En_Sda - doesn't appear to be loaded during the Ganon battle. While Ganon himself is loaded (obviously) and can be found in the in-memory actor list, the shadow's actor can't be found in it, nor can its data be found in memory, even when it's clearly visible on screen. Also, while searching for the string "z_boss_ganon2" from his file gives 47 results, just like when using a hex editor on it, searching for "z_en_sda" from the shadow actor's gives zero results.

So, unless Ganon's actor manages to load and use the shadow actor without it being in memory, I don't think it uses this particular actor. It probably uses the same technique to draw the shadow, but not the exact same code. I wouldn't mind if someone double-checked this, tho, as I'm not the most familiar with actor overlays and such.

Also, as for ZSO, it has been dead for at least 4 or 5 years and someone just reuploaded it in its original state. Don't assume that anything on there is the last known state of things.
 

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posted by artillery_ghosted on Aug 29, 2014:

xdaniel said:






Also, as for ZSO, it has been dead for at least 4 or 5 years and someone just reuploaded it in its original state. Don't assume that anything on there is the last known state of things.

TCRF tends to be the final word. Can't remember the last time I read a random blog with questionable claims like in the old days. lol
 

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posted by skavenger216 on Aug 30, 2014:

if you guys need another source for seeing the shadows on Ganon, I recently did a speed run of OoT and you can clearly see the shadows in my video. Skip ahead to about 22 Minutes in for the Ganon fight. And sorry for this, shameless plug, but I could always use some more followers on my twitch channel Image

Video : http://www.twitch.tv/skavenger216/c/5022933
 

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