posted by Wesker on Apr 16, 2012:
I'm interested in the title screen hack. It's the closest thing we can have to the final product until the unreleased/unleaked final revision of the game leaks out (if it ever does, which I doubt unless someone changes his mind). Is it easy to attempt, p1pkin?
I would also like to put in the Ocean and Neon introductory logos of the Amiga version if possible, after the Sega logo and before the title screen, although that may be a more complicated task since it is probably required to add new code for both to be loaded.
[Code Source] Mr Nutz 2 MD
[Code Source] Mr Nutz 2 MD
posted by p1pkin on Apr 17, 2012:
2kikendo:
thanks for debug screen, I'll try to fix it if that is possible.
Yes, it is not hard to do, but someone must to edit original logo (i.e. it must be IFF file with the same color depth), I am have weak graphican skills, and to be honest not very interested to do that. My goal was to compile that game sources "as is".
Wesker said:
I'm interested in the title screen hack. It's the closest thing we can have to the final product until the unreleased/unleaked final revision of the game leaks out (if it ever does, which I doubt unless someone changes his mind). Is it easy to attempt, p1pkin?
2kikendo:
thanks for debug screen, I'll try to fix it if that is possible.
[Code Source] Mr Nutz 2 MD
posted by p1pkin on Apr 17, 2012:
To all interested people here is some tips how to build that nasty sources:
Easy way - you can take ready build environment http://www.sendspace.com/file/frf4pb
Hard way - you can make it by yourself:
At first you must have an Amiga with at least 4MB RAM (or WinUAE) with installed Workbench, Devpac, OMA assembler and SAS C (only linker is needed).
Second you must unpack original *.lha's in proper place, game looks for files in Work: so we must do an assign for it, for example
assign Work: DH0:Work
then Nutz_BatchFiles_11_8.lha must be unpacked to Work:sega
Nutz_Levels_11_8.lha to Work:sega/mlevels
Nutz_Sources_11_8.lha to Work:sega
Nutz_Karte_11_8.lha to Work
rojects/megadrive
Nutz_Tools&Converter_17_5.lha to Work:sega/tools
and add that folder to path
path ADD Work:sega/tools
So, we almost ready to build the game, open with your favourite text editor Work/sega/SEGABatch/make_karte and change 3rd line to
make makefile
after that we can build that part of game engine:
cd Work:sega/SEGABatch
execute make_karte
(or, if you are take my "easy way" files just open segabatch folder and doubleclick make_karte)
and we have that "missing" Mickey.library
so, next we must joining levels of platform-style part of game, it is must be done by running make_mr_nutz script and say yes on "Make Levels ?", BUT at least under WinUAE this thing works bad (I think files joining in wrong order), so I use Far Managerto join -levels_all and -levels_subdefinition files in that order - inka, natur, water, tekkno, under, Sky, endgegner, WARP.
after that we finally ready to build game, so we must start Devpac and open Work:sega/sources/Mr_Nutz/Nutz_project and compile it (Program - Assemble) and then run the script to build the ROM - segabatch/make_nutz_rom
in result you'll have game's rom, if you use mine build files - in Work folder, if you prefer original ones - in RAM:
To all interested people here is some tips how to build that nasty sources:
Easy way - you can take ready build environment http://www.sendspace.com/file/frf4pb
Hard way - you can make it by yourself:
At first you must have an Amiga with at least 4MB RAM (or WinUAE) with installed Workbench, Devpac, OMA assembler and SAS C (only linker is needed).
Second you must unpack original *.lha's in proper place, game looks for files in Work: so we must do an assign for it, for example
assign Work: DH0:Work
then Nutz_BatchFiles_11_8.lha must be unpacked to Work:sega
Nutz_Levels_11_8.lha to Work:sega/mlevels
Nutz_Sources_11_8.lha to Work:sega
Nutz_Karte_11_8.lha to Work
rojects/megadriveNutz_Tools&Converter_17_5.lha to Work:sega/tools
and add that folder to path
path ADD Work:sega/tools
So, we almost ready to build the game, open with your favourite text editor Work/sega/SEGABatch/make_karte and change 3rd line to
make makefile
after that we can build that part of game engine:
cd Work:sega/SEGABatch
execute make_karte
(or, if you are take my "easy way" files just open segabatch folder and doubleclick make_karte)
and we have that "missing" Mickey.library
so, next we must joining levels of platform-style part of game, it is must be done by running make_mr_nutz script and say yes on "Make Levels ?", BUT at least under WinUAE this thing works bad (I think files joining in wrong order), so I use Far Managerto join -levels_all and -levels_subdefinition files in that order - inka, natur, water, tekkno, under, Sky, endgegner, WARP.
after that we finally ready to build game, so we must start Devpac and open Work:sega/sources/Mr_Nutz/Nutz_project and compile it (Program - Assemble) and then run the script to build the ROM - segabatch/make_nutz_rom
in result you'll have game's rom, if you use mine build files - in Work folder, if you prefer original ones - in RAM:
[Code Source] Mr Nutz 2 MD
posted by TEOL on Apr 18, 2012:
Well by the sounds of things you compiled up the proper Mr Nutz 2 version already. Any chance or releasing that on proper pre done file?
Well by the sounds of things you compiled up the proper Mr Nutz 2 version already. Any chance or releasing that on proper pre done file?
[Code Source] Mr Nutz 2 MD
posted by p1pkin on Apr 25, 2012:
have a little idea about that can cause that crash.
please try this ROM http://www.sendspace.com/file/jw286m
2TEOL:
that you mean "proper pre done file" ?
Looks like it crashes immediatelly after VDP init, even before M68K interrupts init.
kikendo said:
This is the debug screen I get with this ROM on my NTSC Japanese Megadrive:
Maybe it helps someone out. This appears on first boot, after a reset it's gone.
The machine is set to NTSC/USA by means of a Megakey device, I could try it without the Megakey and see what's up.
have a little idea about that can cause that crash.
please try this ROM http://www.sendspace.com/file/jw286m
2TEOL:
that you mean "proper pre done file" ?
[Code Source] Mr Nutz 2 MD
posted by Wesker on Apr 25, 2012:
I believe TEOL is mixing up this early prototype compiled upon the leaked source code, with the final/retail game prototype Peter Thierolf has, which is also the one with the revised Mr. Nutz 2 title and shown in those GENS emulator screenshots. We cannot have that prototype unless Peter Thierolf is willing to release it (and last time he wasn't), so this earlier Mr. Nutz: Hoppin' Mad prototype is all we can have by now.
I finished the game already and while the game is fortunately complete (bar some omissions from the Amiga version like the 3D-ish tunnel sections), there are unfortunately some bugs/glitches present on this prototype, up to the point of freezing the game unexpectedly. And if you let the game loop the title screen and the demo plays for a while, it will eventually hang, freeze or even show that debug screen. Peter Thierolf commented about having to delay the game in order to fix some fatal bugs (which must be these), and a couple of months later when they had done all the fixing and had the game ready, Ocean didn't want to release it any longer. Does that new ROM fix anything of that, p1kpin?
By the way, I tried to get the Mr. Nutz 2 logo from the GENS screenshot that has it, but unfortunately the pic was taken at resized 2x (640x480) size, and the logo is messed up when reverting it back to the original 320x240 size, so unless someone is able to do that better than me, I'm afraid we can forget about having an alternative ROM hacked with the retail Mr. Nutz 2 title. I hope the actual retail prototype will end showing up one day.
I believe TEOL is mixing up this early prototype compiled upon the leaked source code, with the final/retail game prototype Peter Thierolf has, which is also the one with the revised Mr. Nutz 2 title and shown in those GENS emulator screenshots. We cannot have that prototype unless Peter Thierolf is willing to release it (and last time he wasn't), so this earlier Mr. Nutz: Hoppin' Mad prototype is all we can have by now.
I finished the game already and while the game is fortunately complete (bar some omissions from the Amiga version like the 3D-ish tunnel sections), there are unfortunately some bugs/glitches present on this prototype, up to the point of freezing the game unexpectedly. And if you let the game loop the title screen and the demo plays for a while, it will eventually hang, freeze or even show that debug screen. Peter Thierolf commented about having to delay the game in order to fix some fatal bugs (which must be these), and a couple of months later when they had done all the fixing and had the game ready, Ocean didn't want to release it any longer. Does that new ROM fix anything of that, p1kpin?
By the way, I tried to get the Mr. Nutz 2 logo from the GENS screenshot that has it, but unfortunately the pic was taken at resized 2x (640x480) size, and the logo is messed up when reverting it back to the original 320x240 size, so unless someone is able to do that better than me, I'm afraid we can forget about having an alternative ROM hacked with the retail Mr. Nutz 2 title. I hope the actual retail prototype will end showing up one day.
[Code Source] Mr Nutz 2 MD
posted by kikendo on Apr 25, 2012:
It didn't seem to have the music going faster at all, it sounded right. The framerate was indeed fast but that's because it's 60 Hz. And the game displayed at full screen with nothing cut or shortened.
As I said, my machine is set to NTSC USA and it's working fine that way. I just tried it without the Megakey (NTSC JP) and it STILL runs fine after the reset. Those with real hardware and an Everdrive: you can all play this fantastic game perfectly.
Here's a photo of my MD running the game just fine without the Megakey, machine set in its original NTSC-JP mode:
I tried the new version and the debug screen is indeed gone! Other than that there is no difference. The game still doesn't want to work on my Caanoo using Picodrive, which is a real shame. Works fine on the Wii's Genesis Plus GX though.
Sorry this is not true at all. I had no problem playing the game after I pressed reset. My machine doesn't have a 50/60 Hz switch and I didn't have to do any sort of wizardry to get it to run after the debug screen, just press Reset once and the game ran fin after I power-cycled the console.
TEOL said:
This hex is because it's a PAL game and if you choose to play it on real hardware it's optimised to play in 60hz via emulation straight away but it isn't on real hardware it's weird but thats how this game works.
It didn't seem to have the music going faster at all, it sounded right. The framerate was indeed fast but that's because it's 60 Hz. And the game displayed at full screen with nothing cut or shortened.
As I said, my machine is set to NTSC USA and it's working fine that way. I just tried it without the Megakey (NTSC JP) and it STILL runs fine after the reset. Those with real hardware and an Everdrive: you can all play this fantastic game perfectly.
Here's a photo of my MD running the game just fine without the Megakey, machine set in its original NTSC-JP mode:
I tried the new version and the debug screen is indeed gone! Other than that there is no difference. The game still doesn't want to work on my Caanoo using Picodrive, which is a real shame. Works fine on the Wii's Genesis Plus GX though.
[Code Source] Mr Nutz 2 MD
posted by Wesker on Apr 25, 2012:
The game is a bitch to emulators at this current state I believe. It has some weird flickering in the backgrounds when running on either GENS or Kega_Fusion, and it doesn't work at all on PSP PicoDrive (only the Sega screen shows, and then black screen). I don't know if this is because of the rough state of this prototype, or because of the way this game is programmed. I can only play this game perfectly (bar the annoying game hang/freezing bugs which show up randomly) by booting it up on real hardware by means of the Everdrive.
Speaking about that, there's something that happens when I run the game on my console in NTSC-J region. The game works perfectly in both PAL and NTSC-U regions, but when the NTSC-J region is set, this is what I get at boot:
I can't get this through emulators though, so that's why I'm taking a picture instead of a clean screenshot. This seems to be some kind of regional protection to me, only affecting to NTSC-J machines (which would make sense), but it's weird and nobody has pointed it out so far.
The game is a bitch to emulators at this current state I believe. It has some weird flickering in the backgrounds when running on either GENS or Kega_Fusion, and it doesn't work at all on PSP PicoDrive (only the Sega screen shows, and then black screen). I don't know if this is because of the rough state of this prototype, or because of the way this game is programmed. I can only play this game perfectly (bar the annoying game hang/freezing bugs which show up randomly) by booting it up on real hardware by means of the Everdrive.
Speaking about that, there's something that happens when I run the game on my console in NTSC-J region. The game works perfectly in both PAL and NTSC-U regions, but when the NTSC-J region is set, this is what I get at boot:
I can't get this through emulators though, so that's why I'm taking a picture instead of a clean screenshot. This seems to be some kind of regional protection to me, only affecting to NTSC-J machines (which would make sense), but it's weird and nobody has pointed it out so far.
[Code Source] Mr Nutz 2 MD
posted by p1pkin on Apr 26, 2012:
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I was thinking modern emulators are 100% precise.
The strange thing - it will be shown only on PAL-Japanese consoles.
Anyway this can be easy avoided:
Open rom in any HEX-editor and change byte at offset 0x1F3 from 0x20 to 0x58
nice to hear my quickfix was successful! (I just swapped two lines of code
kikendo said:
I tried the new version and the debug screen is indeed gone! Other than that there is no difference.
)if I understand you correctly - background flickering is not present on real hardware ?
Wesker said:
The game is a bitch to emulators at this current state I believe. It has some weird flickering in the backgrounds when running on either GENS or Kega_Fusion, and it doesn't work at all on PSP PicoDrive (only the Sega screen shows, and then black screen). I don't know if this is because of the rough state of this prototype, or because of the way this game is programmed. I can only play this game perfectly (bar the annoying game hang/freezing bugs which show up randomly) by booting it up on real hardware by means of the Everdrive.
I was thinking modern emulators are 100% precise.
I reproduce that picture on emulator with some debugging, and yes, this is regional lockout screen.
Wesker said:
I can't get this through emulators though, so that's why I'm taking a picture instead of a clean screenshot. This seems to be some kind of regional protection to me, only affecting to NTSC-J machines (which would make sense), but it's weird and nobody has pointed it out so far.
The strange thing - it will be shown only on PAL-Japanese consoles.
Anyway this can be easy avoided:
Open rom in any HEX-editor and change byte at offset 0x1F3 from 0x20 to 0x58
[Code Source] Mr Nutz 2 MD
posted by brendand on Apr 26, 2012:
Awesome I cannot play it because my Portable MD only plays bin roms any chance of a Bin rom please??=D
Awesome I cannot play it because my Portable MD only plays bin roms any chance of a Bin rom please??=D